ALM Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Ciao Oggi vi propongo la 98 301, Bavarese Pt 2/2 in versione DB. Questa locomotiva, a causa della sua cabina vetrata veniva chiamata Glaskasten (cassetta di vetro) ed era stata progettata per funzionare ad agente unico, con la possibilità per il capotreno di raggiungere il macchinista attraverso gli appositi passaggi alle estremità. Ciao ALM DB_Br_98_301.cdp 3 Link to comment
ricomon35 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Excellent model ! Thank you for sharing with us Rico Link to comment
eclisse18 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Bonjour, Merci pour le partage !!!!!! Amicalement, André Link to comment
ALM Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 Posso dire una cosa? Questa locomotiva ha bisogno di una revisione profonda sia per la mesh (solo discreta) che per le textures (la parte peggiore). Se interessa ci metto le mani appena trovio la voglia ed il tempo. May I say something? This locomotive needs a major overhaul for both the mesh (only fair) and the textures (the worst part). If you're interested, I'll get my hands on it as soon as I find the desire and the time. Je peux dire quelque chose ? Cette locomotive a besoin d'une refonte majeure à la fois pour le maillage (seulement passable) et les textures (le pire). Si cela vous intéresse, je mettrai la main dessus dès que j'en trouverai l'envie et le temps. Ciao ALM Link to comment
ricomon35 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) 5 hours ago, ALM said: Posso dire una cosa? Questa locomotiva ha bisogno di una revisione profonda sia per la mesh (solo discreta) che per le textures (la parte peggiore). Se interessa ci metto le mani appena trovio la voglia ed il tempo. May I say something? This locomotive needs a major overhaul for both the mesh (only fair) and the textures (the worst part). If you're interested, I'll get my hands on it as soon as I find the desire and the time. Je peux dire quelque chose ? Cette locomotive a besoin d'une refonte majeure à la fois pour le maillage (seulement passable) et les textures (le pire). Si cela vous intéresse, je mettrai la main dessus dès que j'en trouverai l'envie et le temps. Ciao ALM Today I'm running the locomotive on the Spalt-Georgensgmünd railway by SpalterBockerl. There does not seem to be any engine sound, no wheel chuff sounds or bell. There is also no brake sounds, no wheel squealing, nothing form the engine/drivetrain. I see the loco uses the C-41 engine spec, which is working fine with all of the other loco dependents I have installed. Do you know, @ALM, or have an idea why the sounds are not playing? I suppose we should be asking the author andrealuigi. Is he still making locos for Trainz? I have not seen a post by him on the N3V forum for many years Also, the smoke emission is somewhat strong (to me) for such a small loco, but it's not un-bearably so. Rico Edited February 21 by ricomon35 Link to comment
UP844 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Hello Rico, ALM and andrealuigi are the same individual: some of us have different nicknames here and on N3V's forum. This locomotive - as well as any other you find in this area of our forum - is not a definitive release (otherwise you would find it in our download pages). It works, but - as ALM himself stated above, it may lack some features or require some tuning before it is officially released. By the way, I have not found data about the power rating of the C-41 but its enginespec looks much too powerful for the tiny Glaskasten (210 HP). Unfortunately, making a steam enginespec, given the scarce information N3V provided over these years, is a hit-or-miss affair: fine-tuning a theoretically perfect enginespec so that it perfoms somewhat like the prototype requires extensive trial runs, which may take months . Link to comment
ricomon35 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 4 hours ago, UP844 said: Hello Rico, ALM and andrealuigi are the same individual: some of us have different nicknames here and on N3V's forum. This locomotive - as well as any other you find in this area of our forum - is not a definitive release (otherwise you would find it in our download pages). It works, but - as ALM himself stated above, it may lack some features or require some tuning before it is officially released. By the way, I have not found data about the power rating of the C-41 but its enginespec looks much too powerful for the tiny Glaskasten (210 HP). Unfortunately, making a steam enginespec, given the scarce information N3V provided over these years, is a hit-or-miss affair: fine-tuning a theoretically perfect enginespec so that it perfoms somewhat like the prototype requires extensive trial runs, which may take months . Ah Ok. Thanks for the clarification on ALMS = Andrealuigi I understand how cumbersome steam specs are, but why does the loco not have any engine/drive sounds? They're in the engine spec, so they should just work, right? Rico Link to comment
ALM Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 24 minuti fa, ricomon35 ha scritto: I understand how cumbersome steam specs are, but why does the loco not have any engine/drive sounds? They're in the engine spec, so they should just work, right? The mistake is in the bogey. It lacks the direct-drive function. As I wrote, she needs a complete overhaul. Best ALM Link to comment
ricomon35 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 10 hours ago, ALM said: The mistake is in the bogey. It lacks the direct-drive function. As I wrote, she needs a complete overhaul. Best ALM Understood, and thank you for the response. Rico Link to comment
D143.3046 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Ciao Andrea; una domanda: che tu sappia, per quale utilizzo era stata concepita questa piccola locomotiva al vero? Cercando in rete, con l'originale classificazione Pt2/2, non aveva una potenza elevata ma solo 150 Kw, che suppongo ne circoscriveva l'uso a manovre in deposito anche tenendo conto delle scarsissime scorte di carbone e acqua. Link to comment
ALM Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 Alcune informazioni (in tedesco) sulla 98.3. Appena riesco le traduco. Ciao ALM Link to comment
ricomon35 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 English Translation (Google Translate) Class 983 local railway tender locomotive, Bavarian. PtL 2/2 Despite a large number of existing small NaB steam engines, there was a further need for powerful tender locomotives for the numerous Bavarian local railways at the beginning of this century. In 1905 and 1906, the first vehicles were built in the two locomotive factories of J. A. Maffei and Georg Krauss in Munich, the design of which differed considerably from the previously usual design. What was particularly new was the large driver's cab, which enclosed the entire long boiler, and the semi-automatic grate firing, which enabled one-man operation. Transition devices on both vehicles allowed the train crew to transfer to the locomotive even while the train was in motion. After the delivery of six "original glass boxes" by Krauss, Maffei had manufactured a total of 24 vehicles with a different design, which were initially also referred to as motor locomotives. Both types - already designed as hot steam engines - did not yet meet expectations. Another Krauss developed a variant of a local railway locomotive in 1908, which had a hot steam engine with a jackshaft and hay control. Company numbers: 98 301 - 309 The 29 locomotives with the railway numbers 4507 to 4535 were built up to 1909 under the factory numbers 5889 to 5917 from this type, known as the PtL 2(2 class). In addition to the large driver's cab and the circulation secured by railings, there was a high coal hopper above the standing boiler -end a special characteristic. Krauss delivered three almost identical vehicles with the serial numbers 6227 to 6229 to the Royal Prussian Railway Administration in 1910. All locomotives had two wheels that were coupled together and mounted in the sheet metal frame without any play. The water supply of 2.2 m3 was housed in a container in the locomotive frame, the coal supply of 0.55 t in the high hopper. Although the locomotives performed very well, the machines, known as "Glaskasterr", were to become German after the L&1derbahnen came together The Reichsbahn initially all had to be taken out of service. Ultimately, nine Bavarian vehicles were included in the final numbering plan from 1925. Seven of these locomotives ended up in the Deutsche Bundesbahn's fleet. The last locomotive, 98 307, was only decommissioned in 1963 and has not been preserved in operational condition. Traduzione Italiana (Google Traduttore) Locomotiva tender delle ferrovie locali Gruppo 983, bavarese. PtL 2/2 Nonostante l'esistenza di un gran numero di piccole locomotive a vapore NaB, all'inizio di questo secolo per le numerose ferrovie locali bavaresi si verificò ulteriormente la necessità di potenti locomotive tender. Negli anni 1905 e 1906 nelle due fabbriche di locomotive J. A. Maffei e Georg Krauss a Monaco furono costruiti i primi veicoli, la cui struttura si differenziava notevolmente da quella precedentemente usuale. Particolarmente nuove erano la grande cabina di guida, che racchiudeva l'intera lunga caldaia, e la combustione semiautomatica della griglia, che consentiva il funzionamento da parte di un solo uomo. I dispositivi di transizione su entrambi i veicoli consentivano al personale del treno di spostarsi sulla locomotiva anche mentre il treno era in movimento. Dopo la consegna di sei "scatole di vetro originali" da parte di Krauss, Maffei aveva prodotto un totale di 24 veicoli con un design diverso, che inizialmente venivano chiamati anche locomotive a motore. Entrambi i tipi - già progettati come motori a vapore caldo - non soddisfacevano ancora Un altro Krauss sviluppò nel 1908 una variante della locomotiva ferroviaria locale, dotata di un motore a vapore caldo con martinetto e regolazione del fieno. Numeri aziendali: 98 301 - 309 Di questo tipo, la cosiddetta classe PtL 2, furono costruite fino al 1909 29 locomotive con i numeri ferroviari da 4507 a 4535 con i numeri di fabbrica da 5889 a 5917. Oltre alla grande cabina di guida e alla circolazione assicurata da ringhiere, sopra la caldaia verticale si trovava un'alta tramoggia per il carbone - una caratteristica particolare. Krauss consegnò nel 1910 tre veicoli quasi identici con i numeri di serie da 6227 a 6229 all'Amministrazione reale delle ferrovie prussiane. il telaio in lamiera senza alcun gioco. La riserva d'acqua di 2,2 m3 era alloggiata in un contenitore nel telaio della locomotiva, la riserva di carbone di 0,55 t nella tramoggia alta. Nonostante le locomotive funzionassero molto bene, le macchine, conosciute come "Glaskasterr" , dovevano diventare tedesche dopo la fusione delle L&1derbahnen Le Reichsbahn dovettero inizialmente essere tutte messe fuori servizio, infine nove veicoli bavaresi furono inclusi nel piano di numerazione definitivo del 1925. Sette di queste locomotive finirono nella flotta della Deutsche Bundesbahn. L'ultima locomotiva 98 307 è stata messa fuori servizio solo nel 1963 e non è stata conservata in condizioni operative. 2 Link to comment
D143.3046 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Thank you @ricomon35 e grazie Andrea. 1 Link to comment
ricomon35 Posted Monday at 11:26 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:26 PM I found a black & white documentary video on YouTube about the Spalt-Georgensgmünd railway. There is some interesting footage regarding the Glaskasten locomotive, the railways trackside structures and other power and rolling stock used on the railway. LInk > 47 MK bay-Lokalbahnen -1.mpg Rico 1 Link to comment
UP844 Posted Monday at 11:57 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:57 PM I understood only a few words ("Glaskasten", "dampflokomotive", "zwei-achsig") but the pictures are well worth viewing it! I'm looking forward to the Spalt-Georgensgmünd in Trainz! Link to comment
ricomon35 Posted yesterday at 12:14 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:14 AM 14 minutes ago, UP844 said: I understood only a few words ("Glaskasten", "dampflokomotive", "zwei-achsig") but the pictures are well worth viewing it! I'm looking forward to the Spalt-Georgensgmünd in Trainz! @UP844 Glad you enjoyed the video I have started a new WIP thread on the N3V forum. Lot's of new screenshots of the re-build. Spalt-Georgensgmünd Railway - Re-build WIP thread Rico 2 Link to comment
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